Bagby

James Bagby Report

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JAMES BAGBY

William Bagby Report

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WILLIAM BAGBY

2016 update

Site Owner Note: After seeing references to Bagbie, Jo., listed in the book "Original Lists of Persons of Quality 1600–1700" compiled by John Camden Hotten, I purchased a hard copy. I must say my attitude toward this as a reference was somewhat lacking in enthusiasm because afterall, it is based on a document another person claims to have seen with their own eyes.

However, I found a copy of the actual document for Jo. Bagbie on the ship manifest and have placed it here for others to see. His name is located in the left column, fourth from the bottom.

 

Below that document, you'll see a Bagby Furniture Invoice. The customer is H.L. Menefee in Speeryville, Virginia. Henry Lloyd Menefee lived from 1843 to 1917 and is buried in Sperryville, Rappahannock County, Virginia.

As many of you will know, a George Menifee is listed in the book "Original Lists of Persons of Quality 1600–1700" compiled by John Camden Hotten. In years past, there has been discussion about a land transaction between George Menifee and John Bagby. The theory, as mentioned in my notes further down on this page, has been that John Bagby was somehow indentured to George Menifee. After seeing John Bagby in Hotten's book along with George Menifee and then seeing H.L. Menefee purchasing furniture from Bagby Furniture Company in Baltimore, Maryland, I am of the opinion that the Bagby family and the Menefee family knew and held a mutual respect for one another.

John Bagby

 


 

Bagby Furniture Invoice

 


 

A Genealogy of the Surname Bagby

 

The beginning as I know it to be in 2016 — back to square one with the research of Dr. Alfred Paul Bagby, D.D. accompanied by site owner notations.

James ( 1 ), Jamestown ( 1628 )

Isom ( Isham ) ( 1 ), Jamestown

William ( 1 ); Robert ( 2 ), b. 1740 ( Kentucky branch )

James ( 1 ) ; John ( 2 ) ; John ( 3 ) , m. Morris ( Louisa branch )

John ( 2 ) ; Richard ( 3 ) ; m. Jeffries; George ( 4 ) ; Mary ( 4 ) ; m. Harwood ; John ( 4 ) ; m. Courtney ; Richard ( 4 ) ; m. Fleet ; Baylor ( 4 ) ; Travis ( 4 ) ; m. Kidd ; Susan ( 4 ) ; m. Haynes.

Major Thomas ( 3 ) ; George ( 4 ) ; m. Virginia ; Dr. Geo. W. ( Moziz Addums ) ( 5 ) ; m. Chamberlayne ; Ellen ( 5 ) ; m. Matthews

John ( 4 ) ; Richard Hugh, D.D. ( 5 ) ; m. Motley ; Dr. John ( 5 ) ; m. Fleet ; Richard Hugh, Jr. ( 6 ) ; m. Aderholt ; Hannah ( 6 ) ; Virginia ( 6 ) ; m. W.F. Bagby, county clerk Emeline ( 5 ) ; m. Cooke ; Priscilla ( 5 ) ; m. Ryland ; Hannah ( 5 ) ; m. Gresham ; Major Jahn R. ( 5 ) ; m. Fleet ; Alfred ( 5 ) ; m. Pollard ; George F., D.D. ( 5 ) ; m. Courtney ; Mary E. ( 5 ) ; m. Gresham ; Martha H. ( 5 ) ; m. Carlton ; Virginia ( 5 ) ; m. Pollard ; Susan ( 5 ) ; Edward ( 5 ) , killed in the war.

Richard ( 4 ) ; John C. ( 5 ) ; Capt. Alexander ( 5 ) ; m. Walker ; Rev. Edward ( 6 ) ; Rev. Richard (6 ) ; Dr. Bathurst ( 6 ) ; Alvin ( 6 ) Alexina ( 6 ) ; m. Robins ; Janie ( 6 ) Sarah ( 5 ) ; m. White ; Sue ( 5 ) ; m. Fleet ; Dolly ( 5 ) ; m. Walker ; Richard ( 5 ) ; m. Fannie Floyd

John R. ( 5 ) ; Wm. F. ( 6 ) ; m. Bagby ; Bessie ( 6 ) ; m. Dickinson; Nellie ( 6 ) ; Dr. John R., Jr. ( 6 ) ; Mary ( 6 ) ; m. Haynes

Alfred ( 5 ) ; Thomas P. ( 6 ) ; m. Scott ; Ann H. ( 6 ) ; Charles T. ( 6 ) ; m. English ; Juliet ( 6 ) ; Slfred, Jr. ( 6 ) ; m. Campbell ; John ( 6 ) ; m. Harwood ; Richard Hugh ( 6 ) ; m. Leslie ; George Poindexter ( 6 )

George F. ( 5 ) ; Fred ( 6 ) ; m. Garrett ; Theodore ( 6 ) ; m. Willis ; George F., Jr. ( 6 ) ; m. Lawrence ; Leslie ( 6 ) ; m. Halloway ; Alfred Paul ( 6 ) ; m. Strother ; Harry, D.D. ( 6 ) ; m. Thompson ; May ( 6 ) ; m. Rudd (missionary)

Priscilla ( 5 ) ; Sue ( 6 ) ; m. Fleet ; Nannie ( 6 ) ; m. Fleet ; Ida ( 6 ) ; m. Haynes ; Mary ( 6 ) ; m. Murdoch ; Priscilla ( 6 ) ; m. Land ; Rev. John W. ( 6 ) ; m. Bagby ; Josiah ( 6 ) ; m. White ; James R. ( 6 ) m. Bagby ; Harry ( 6 ) ; m. _______ ; Edwin ( 6 ) ; m. Files ; Alice ( 6 )

Emeline ( 5 ) ; Betty ( 6 ) ; m. Porter ; Frank ( 6 ) ; m. Turpin ; Mary M. ( 6 ) ; m. Haywood ; Mordecai ( 6 )

Hannah E. ( 5 ) ; Mary ( 6 ) ; Jessie ( 6 ) ; m. Hon. H.R. Pollard ; Mattie ( 6 ) ; m. Pollard ; Ora ( 6 ) ; m. Butler, D.D.S. ; Susie ( 6 ) ; Ada ( 6 ) ; two sons who died young ( 6 )

Virginia ( 5 ) ; Mary ( 6 ) ; m. Clark ; Juliet ( 6 ) ; m. Wills ; Bessie ( 6 ) ; m. Cox ; Lallah ( 6 ) ; m. Smoot ; Maude ( 6 ) ; m. Turman ; Susie ( 6 ) ; Grace ( 6 ) ; m. Mason ; John Garland, attorney ( 6 ) ; m. Phillipps

Mary E. ( 5 ) ; Andrew ( 6 ) ; Albert ( 6 ) ; m. Jones.

 


 

As of 2015 there remains no written source for any Bagby, by any given name being listed in Jamestown, Virginia. This is not to say the Bagby family was not in or around the immediate area of Jamestown. Census Records show Bagby family members in James City County, Virginia in early American History.

There has been discussion among Bagby researchers that George Menifee was a resident of Jamestown and that not many years after he arrived, he deeded a large piece of property to John Bagby. The speculation, which cannot be proven, is that after serving an indenture for payment of passage from England to the American Colonies, John Bagby was awarded property from George Menifee. The question remains this. If, John Bagby worked off an indenture for passage, why would George Menifee award him with a large piece of property? The trade would have been passage for an indenture, would it not?

Following is an excerpt from a book shared by The Library of Congress, entitled "In Memorium", Addresses Delivered at the Unveiling of a Monument to the Memory of Edward Bagby at Bruington Church, King & Queen County, Virginia by Honorable Henry R. Pollard and Others, August 8, 1912.

In the address delivered by Honorable Henry R. Pollard, (husband of Jessie Gresham) of Richmond, at the unveiling of a monument to the memory of Edward Bagby at Bruington Baptist Church, King and Queen County, Virginia, August 8, 1912, he states:

"Into one of the most favored homes of the county during that period, Edward Bagby was born, on the 26th day of January, 1842. His father, John Bagby, a veteran of the war of 1812, was the great grandson of Thomas Bagby, the immigrant, who settled at Jamestown in 1628, and ancestor of many distinguished men of his name, among them United States Senator from and Governor of Alabama, and Confederate General Bagby of Texas. Edward was the youngest but one of a family of twelve children."

 

Edward was, as many of you will readily recognize, the son of John Christopher Bagby, A.K.A. John Bagby of Bunker Hill. In comparison with Dr. Alfred Paul Bagby, D.D. beginning the genealogy of James Bagby in Jamestown in 1628, Henry R. Pollard, says Thomas Bagby, an immigrant, who settled at Jamestown in 1628. The concern for me as a researcher is not the given name because I have found the Bagby family is notorious for using a middle name as if it were the only given name; to the extent of having only the middle name engraved on a grave marker. It may have been this ancestor's name was James Thomas Bagby or it may have been a lapse in memory or a mispoken word.

One thing I know for certain is "Great Grandfather" is not used in the context of how we commonly use it; the father of my grandfather. There would be a minimum of 180 years between the birth date of James and/or Thomas Bagby and the birth date of John Christopher Bagby. So, if indeed this ancester settled in the vicinity of Jamestown, Virginia in 1628, he would have more properly been "A Great Grandfather". I can see how an orator would simply refer to the ancester as the great grandfather.

There is a THOMAS BAGBY listed in the "Alphabetical Rent Roll of Virginia 1704/05", Reference: The Planters of Colonial Virginia, Thomas J. Wertenbaker, Russell & Russell New York, New York.

Bagby, Tho – James City County 1704

In recent research, I am finding many of the names formerly published in our reports with unknown dates and unknown given names being completed just as Dr. Alfred Paul Bagby, D.D. wrote in his book and also as they were recorded in "John Bagby of Bunker Hill". As more people enter the genealogical research arena and record information online, I have found the missing data. Therefore, I am changing the beginning of this report back to the way Dr. Alfred Paul Bagby, D.D. originally wrote it on page 322–323 of his book, King and Queen County, Virginia.

Since I do not know at this point if the three men mentioned in the beginning have the same father, I am separating them into their own reports with the information of their lineage. For years I have been saying, "All Bagbys are related." While they may be related at some level, I no longer believe the Bagby family in America came through one, common ancestor.

 

Once Upon A Time there was a man whose surname was BAGBY He was born in England, immigrated to America and settled in Virginia. He married a woman and we don't know who she was or where she was born.

or

Once Upon A Time there were three men whose surname was BAGBY. They were born in England, immigrated to America and settled in Virginia. They all married a woman and we don't know who these women were or where they were born, but we know the names of these men were:

JAMES BAGBY

ISOM "ISHAM" BAGBY

WILLIAM BAGBY

or, my own "Once Upon a Time" theory:

After finding a THOMAS BAGBY listed in the "Alphabetical Rent Roll of Virginia 1704/05", Reference: The Planters of Colonial Virginia, Thomas J. Wertenbaker, Russell & Russell New York, New York, and a ROBERT BAGBY in the same record in King & Queen County.

Bagby, Tho – James City County 1704

Bagby, Rbt – King & Queen County 1704

Taking that information, my theory would be this:

James ( 1 ) born About 1628 Jamestown area ; Thomas ( 2 ) born About 1654, found in 1704 Census Jamestown City County, Virginia ; Robert ( 2 ) born About 1656, found in 1704 Census King & Queen County, Virginia

Robert ( 2 ) ; James ( 3 ) ; Isom ( Isham ) ( 3 ) ; William ( 3 )

William ( 3 ) ; Robert ( 4 ), b. 1740 (Kentucky branch)

James ( 3 ) ; John ( 4 ) b. Before 1775

John ( 4 ) ; John ( 5 ) b. Unknown; d. 1789, Louisa County, Virginia ; Richard ( 5 ) b. March 7, 1750; d. April 23, 1818 ; Thomas ( 5 ) born Unknown; d. Unknown

 

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JAMES BAGBY 1, was born circa 1628 and believed to have been in Jamestown, Virginia. This is according to Dr. Alfred P. Bagby, D.D. — While other BAGBY family members were in James City County, Virginia, I have not been able to locate documentation for a JAMES BAGBY during the time stated in James City County, Virginia. However, because so much of the lineage of the BAGBY family as recorded by Dr. Alfred P. Bagby, D.D. has been supported for it's correctness in recent years, I cannot discount this record.

Site Owner Note:

A report beginning with a JAMES BAGBY who was born Unknown and married Unknown, per the information of Dr. Alfred P. Bagby, D.D. may be followed through the following link. It will pick up at Generation Two with his son JOHN BAGBY.

 

JAMES BAGBY REPORT

 

ISOM "ISHAM" BAGBY 1, was born Before 1775 and died possibly Before 1830 in King & Queen County, Virginia. He married UNKNOWN. She was born Unknown and died Unknown.

More About ISHAM BAGBY: According to Dr. Alfred P. Bagby, D.D., ISHAM BAGBY was in Jamestown, or perhaps James City County, Virginia very early. This is most likely not the same ISHAM BAGBY he recorded.

Even More About ISHAM BAGBY: ISHAM BAGBY is found in the 1820 King & Queen County, Virginia Census Record on the same page as RICHARD BAGBY, Merchant and JOHN BAGBY, Merchant. He is the Head of Household and in the age bracket of 45 & Upward. Birth based upon age in census record being 45 years. Death date is based on ISHAM BAGBY not found listed in the 1830 King & Queen County, Virginia Census Record. However, the fact that he was not found in the census record does not mean he had died.

1820 King & Queen County, Virginia Census Record

Last Name First Name Males 16-25 Males 26-45 Females 45 & Upward
         
Bagby Isham 1 1 1

 

Child of ISHAM BAGBY and UNKNOWN is:

1. UNKNOWN BAGBY, b. Between 1795 and 1804; d. Unknown.

 

Site Owner Note:

At this time there is no further information to report for this ISHAM BAGBY.

 

WILLIAM BAGBY 1, was born Unknown and died Unknown.

Site Owner Note: I have not been able to find any written record of a William Bagby in this time frame or earlier in King & Queen County, Virginia. There are many other men by the name of William Bagby in other counties of Virginia. This WILLIAM BAGBY and son, ROBERT BAGBY is from the research of Dr. Alfred P. Bagby. In that research it states Robert Bagby was born in 1740 and is noted as the ( Kentucky branch ). There is a Robert Bagby in the 1810 King & Queen County, Virginia Census Record in the age bracket of 45 & upward. Perhaps William's middle name was Robert and he is the Robert Bagby found in the 1810 Census Record. It is also quite possible that the child of William Bagby is William Robert Bagby and used only his middle name. The lineage of Robert Bagby did migrate to Kentucky as Dr. Alfred Paul Bagby, D.D. mentions in his research and he named a son William Bagby. The 1740 year of birth is either incorrect or Dr. Alfred P. Bagby, D.D. was referring to a different Robert Bagby, according to found documents in our research.

1810 King & Queen County, Virginia Census Record

Last Name First Name Males 26-45 Males Under 10 Females Under 10
         
Bagby Robert 1 1 1

 

Child of WILLIAM BAGBY and UNKNOWN is:

1. ROBERT BAGBY, b. Unknown; d. Unknown.

 

Site Owner Note:

Prior to 2016, this WILLIAM BAGBY report was intertwined in the JAMES BAGBY report. After recently found research, this report has been separated into it's own report. Dr. Alfred P. Bagby, D.D. does not make it clear if JAMES, ISHAM and WILLIAM BAGBY were brothers and I cannot find evidence one way or another.

 

A report beginning with a WILLIAM BAGBY who was born Unknown and married Unknown, per the information of Dr. Alfred P. Bagby, D.D. may be followed through the following link. It will pick up at Generation Two with his son ROBERT BAGBY.

 

WILLIAM BAGBY REPORT